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أملنا أن تصبح مشاكل المرأة شيئا من الماضي ..

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مشاركةبواسطة ghriss-m في الخميس أكتوبر 12, 2006 8:02 pm

بعد ما اتهمتني صديقتي الغالية نور بأني خرجت عن صلب الموضوع لم اخرج وإنما ليعلم المجتمع بما هو فيه حتى لو كان على نطاق أوسع من المرأة والمجتمع الذي يموت لايستطيع أن يحكم ويشرع ولكن دخولي الأن من أجل دكتور ربيع الذي قال: إن الله اختار جميع أنبيائه ومرسليه من الذكور وحتى في الاديان الغير السماوية فإن الدعاة كانوا من الذكور سوف اسرق من الصديق عرين فكرة نقطة على سطر لا نقاش..................................
الله لم يرسل أنبيائه من أجل المؤمنين والأبراروإنما من أجل الناس التائهين عن طريق الله للهدايه ودعوتهم واعتقد انه لم يرسل أنثى نبيه لأن المرأة أسرع في الإقتناع والإيمان والهداية وجاء الأنبياء والرسل والمبشرية وحتى اليوم هناك رجال لم تهتدي فلاتنسب الأنبياء إن لم تعرف لما أرسلوا
ومن اجل الصديقة نور من موقفها بالمنتدى لو كانت نور لاتعلم بهذه الأمور لما سهرت وساهمت وأغنت كثير من الأقسام أصحابها هجروها أو توجهوا لمنتديات ثانية كتبوا هناك أو اختفوا دون أي خبر والحق يقال هي من الأقلام الملتزمة بالموقع ولكن كانت تحذرنا بأننا إذا تم إسكات أي صوت أو موضوع وحتى لو كان الشخص غير سوري فهذا لايعني أن الشخص لايستطيع الدفاع عن مواقف تهمه لمجرد إيمانه وإخلاصه ماذا يفعل يهرب يقدم استقالته يسكت أو يندب حظة
لأن المنتدى سوف نتحول لمنتدى تسليه كما هي بعض المنتديات وهنا أنهي نقاشي
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مشاركةبواسطة Dr Rabie في الخميس أكتوبر 12, 2006 9:56 pm

الأنسة غريس:

لقد أخذ الموضوع أكثر ما ينبغي و أنا قد أوضحت موقفي من ظلم النساء , فلا يمكن أن أقبل هذا الظلم فالمرأة هي أمي و أختي و حبيبتي و صديقتي ,, فمن يقبل العنف تجاه أغلى الناس عليه!!!!!

و لكن مأخذي هو تناولكم للموضوع بطريقة شائكة و من منظور ضيق . و تلقون التهم جزافا على الذكور و كأنهم هم السبب لكل داء موجود . و يا سيدتي أنا أملك إحصائية تقول بأن أكثرية قادة المنظمات الداعمة لحقوق المرأة هم من الرجال.

أما فيما يخص نوووور فلا يمكنني لا أنا و لا غيري إنكار فضلها على المنتدى و هي صاحبة الفضل الأول في إغنائه و تطويره .. و لكن مأخذي كان تناولها لبعض الحالات النادرة و تصويرها كمشكلة مزمنة في المجتمع .. و أعود و أوكد على أن نووور واسعة الاطلاع ليس فقط على المجتمع السوري و لكن على كل المجتمعات بفضل ثقافتها الواسعة و اطلاعها العميق .و بالتالي فيحق لها أن تتناول أي موضوع و تحلله و تناقشه بسبب توفر كل المعطيات العلمية و الثقافية لديها.و لا يحق لي و لا لغيري أن نحدد لها ما ينبغي أن تناقشه فهي من المثقفين النادرين الذين يحق لهم الكلام في كل شيء
و أوكد اعتذاري لها في حال فهم كلامي خطأ أو أنه منع من تناول موضوع معين . و يسعدنا أن نتابع النقاش معكم يا آنسات المنتدى المميزات و طبعا أنتي يا غريس واحدة منهم و نفتخر بمستواكم الرائع و شجاعتكم النادرة و لكن اتقوا الله فينا و لا تلقوا بجميع كوارث الكون على أكتافنا
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مشاركةبواسطة Paulalu في السبت أكتوبر 14, 2006 12:47 pm

Dear All,
I would firstly like to apologise for my long absence from this forum, but I have been far too busy with my own personal struggle, life as you know is never ‘a walk in the park’, but it’s OK, without struggle there is no growth…

I felt however that this argument is very important and I would like to contribute my ‘two cents’ to the debate.

The key points that seem to have sparked the argument are:
1. Women wanting to have freedom of choice.
2. Women speaking out against domestic violence.

The replies to these issues, very surprisingly to me, were delivered in anger and with a purpose to censor these women’s voices.
Enough! I hear you say (the male contributors to the argument) you are inferior to men in every way, if women are given freedom they can be no better than prostitutes, and you have to conform to being inferior because the evidence shows that in the olden days women never had any high positions in the clergy and so forth, and to finish it, even in the Judaic, Christian and Islamic faiths the prophets have all been men.

I will begin to address the latter statement, by asking you one question: Why would God bother to send female prophets if men would not listen to them? It would be a pointless exercise. Let’s just take Jesus as an example, at the time of his life only men were allowed to enter the temple, girls at about thirteen years of age would have already been married and made to bare children, if any girl would have dared to speak about any important issues she would have been stoned to death, so can you see why it would have been pointless?

But I really do not wish to carry on with this one because only God himself can reply to you, we can all just speculate. Also, I think that all debates should be kept secular, we are discussing human issues and I feel that when you mention God you kill the argument because no one wants to be seen as offensive to God. I believe that our relationship to God is personal and men should not mention his name as a weapon.

On the point about non-monotheistic there being only priests it is totally untrue, otherwise there would be no such a word as priestess, also, there were plenty of female Goddesses, I suggest you do your research a bit better on this one.

On the last point that I would like to reply to before I give my own personal statement, is the most offensive of all, the one that basically speaks about prostitution, but Dear Sir, I would like to ask a very basic question about economics, about supply and demand. If you would like to set up any form of business, if this business is going to be successful the supply must equal the demand, if the demand is not there in the first place there is no point in manufacturing whatever goods if you can’t find anyone that wants to buy them.

But of course that this puts the emphasis of this trading on men, which is something that they do not wish to address, it is never the men’s fault. Quick, find a scapegoat!
Whom should we blame? Easy, the women! These weak, stupid creatures that they have to share their world with.

When men have such a negative view of women you have to wonder if their fathers gave birth to them and nourished and protected them from their early years, or do you believe only your mother to be a good woman and everyone else’s mothers to be whores? you should think very carefully before making such statements they offend a lot of people, male and female alike, we all have mothers!

Now, I have to say what surprised me the most is the response to the argument about domestic violence, this is such an important issue that should be treated very sensitively, but instead of merely agreeing and saying: Yes, we do know that this happens and it is wrong, but please don’t think that all men are like this. What would have been a good reply to which women can say no more, no, more insults, so does this mean that you are one of these wife beaters? Because if not, I cannot understand why you must so vehemently defend them. Violence is not acceptable towards any form of life, human or animal period.

Lets go with your argument here for a second: men are superior to women, so they should know better! Even if you have an animal you should not beat it, this is cruelty, but yet, you defend your right to be cruel and keep on beating women.

I am going to tell you a very personal story, this is a part of my family’s history but I will share it with you nevertheless, so that it might make you think about it a little different, I hope.

My paternal Grandfather was a wife beater, he used to beat my Grandmother on a daily basis and my father, his only son. One day, my father was only eight years old and he had had enough, he was extremely scared for his mother’s life because my Grandfather picked up my Great-Grandfather’s ceremonial sword (whom used to be a Captain in the army) and he was going to strike my Grandmother with it, my Father picked up a small kitchen knife and stood up in front of his Father, shaking, and told him that if he would strike his mother, he would kill him.

I have tears in my eyes every time that I think of this, and I can proudly say that my Father has never once raised his hands towards my Mother, I admire my Father greatly and only him gives me hope in men, he has proved to me that no matter what you can rise above it and become a better person.

My Father is a great man and my Mother is a great woman, they have always had a relationship that is based on trust, respect and equality, and I thank them from the bottom of my heart for having raised me with morals and to be a strong and independent woman, and I will do my best to continually give credit to them through my actions and words.

You should be careful that one day your children do not lose respect for you because of your actions. By hurting their Mother, you are hurting them also.

I will have to stop here because quite frankly, I could go on and on, delving deep into why certain types of human behaviour develop, the co-relation between violence, ignorance and power, about weaknesses in human (male and female) beings. About the relationship between men and women, but I grow tired and the reply is I know extremely long already, so I bid you farewell until we meet again.

Love, respect and look after each other.


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مشاركةبواسطة Dr Rabie في السبت أكتوبر 14, 2006 2:32 pm

Dear Paula:

welcome back to Your Forum . the Forum Of Freedom
we all always look forward with pleasure to your replies and great ideas

Please let me explain some Points:

Firstly , We can not depend extremly on electronic translators like Google as they cut the Main ideas
Secondly, i will give you a Summery about Oriental culture, we never call women to be inferior to us , we give them a wide Margin of freedom , they work , travel , speak without any obstacle but you can find some extremists who harm all the socity including women, So we should not generalize the rare bad conducts and make them as the main characteristic of the socity

Nobody of all Man who write in this forum support the violence against women or seizuring their rights, but the angry reaction you have felt in our replies origin from the following fact: The oriental women blame the man in all things and they redirect all the arguments in the diriction of accusing the man of unexisting things
Our issue with Thw women is: They do not exactly know what They really want.

Please Paula do not misunderstand our cultur. In my country there are 4 wmoen as ministers and the vice presedent is a woman < as well as they form 25% of our parliament , but we can not deny the existance of problems and crimes against women but we should classify it as an offence towards the whole socity

Please Paula Accept my feeling of admiration for your courage when you told us the personal story < i highly appreciate the great attitude of your father and i think every honest man must to do like him if he was in his place

Thank you Paula for your interest in discussing this issue and we are waiting more of your great topics and ideas

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مشاركةبواسطة الركن الحر في الأحد أكتوبر 15, 2006 2:34 am

Dear Paula
Thank you for your courage , you speak in the name of all women around the world
you always put the finger in the wound
keep the great job we are all behind you
god bless you
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مشاركةبواسطة الركن الحر في الاثنين أكتوبر 16, 2006 12:22 am

Thank you Paula

i do agree with you , i bellieve - according to my experince - women do miracles when they have the full freedom , they are more responsible than men in leadership positions

Give women freedom and take the best world
but please dear women take it easy with us
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مشاركةبواسطة Paulalu في الأربعاء أكتوبر 18, 2006 6:47 pm

Dear Lina & Mohamed,

Many thanks for your kind words of support & encouragement, they mean the world to me.
May God bless you and your family also.

Dear Dr. Rabie,

I would also like to thank you for your reply, and reiterate my deepest friendship and respect for you and your family.

But I just felt that I needed to clarify my stance on this, you don't have to 'worry', my critique is not on your culture, violence against women is a worldwide problem, and my opinions are not based on anyone's race, gender, creed or culture. I am well aware that we cannot judge a whole people based on a few sick individuals. Every person is unique, and we all have something to learn from each other, empathy, wisdom and common sense are not things that can be studied at university.

When I speak, I speak in the name of justice, I speak against discrimination of any shape or form. I am not a 'man-hater', I realise that we are all one, this is why I can't myself understand 'women-haters', as I have said above, we are all unique and we can not measure a person's value based on their gender, race, creed or culture, or indeed their status by what job they do, what car they drive or how much money they have in their bank account, these are all ephemeral things, what forms the basis of our identities are our experiences, memories and our sets of beliefs.

But when any member of our world is victimised by those that are physically stronger, I feel the need to express my distaste over this, just as I do when I join the protests against the western governments using their economic and military might to establish themselves as the overall rulers. I compare the plight of the woman to the countries that are being invaded by the stronger countries, not that she is any weaker emotionally or intellectually, but against physical strength she is powerless, (just as a weaker man can be towards another who is stronger than him). We as the ethical beings that we are should never allow for this to happen, nor should we trivialise issues such as domestic violence and prostitution, or let our egos get in the way of what is real and important.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

My kindest regards
Paula
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